The HHC/T (Halo Haters Club/thread) + FPS thread

#5 Posted 1 year ago

I have a question. Why do all PC gamers hate Console gamers? Why are you trying to "convert" us to PC gaming?

DrunkenPrayer

#6 Posted 1 year ago

We don't hate console gamers. I'm a very proud Xbox (360 and older model) and PS1/2 owner. I just can't stand FPS games on consoles, much like I can't stand playing plattform games or racing games on a PC because the controls just aren't as fluid even with a gamepad. The Megadrive (or Genesis in the US) and SNES still carry some of my all time favourite games.
Mostly it's when console gamers talk about multiplayer and while this is a matter of personal opinion PC multiplayer in terms of content and challenge is far greater than anything on offer on consoles.

I played the first two Halo games through a few levels and couldn't stand how generic they were, I even tried the PC version to see if I liked it any more but it was a terribly average game. The multiplayer was passable but the single player was absoloutely nothing new or innovative.
Gears of War on the other hand was an outstanding game, I've never played it online but if the single player was any indication then I think it would be amazing.

I also hate that some potentially great games have been dumbed down (excuse the expression) down for cross plattform release. To take a recent example Oblivion, which while a superb game just didn't feel right on either plattform due to the clunky inventory and lack of customization. Plus with consoles if a game is released bugged then you're stuck with it. In an ideal world this would never happen but at least with a PC you can patch a game pretty easily. Or Shadowrun, which should have been awesome.
Plus we get the huge advantage of modding and user created content which can expand the lifespan of a game ten times over.

I would never try to "convert" anyone, but it seems that the majority of people I talk to that talk about consoles and their games have never played a good PC game if any.

Look at the upcoming PC releases that have multiplayer that are being released: Team Fortress 2, Quake Wars, Unreal Tournament 3 and Portal (hopefully will have multiplayer) off the top of my head. All of which apart from Portal have already shown innovative and addicting multiplayer in terms of game modes, maps and weaponry.
Oh and I forgot Crysis.

P.S. Any other Garry's Mod fans out there? Wow that was a long ass post.

lucienlachance
Banned

#7 Posted 1 year ago

does the phrase "more than the sum of its parts" mean anything to you?

also, GeOW sucks. 6 hour single player

. online mode dominated by shotguns and chainsaws

I also hate that some potentially great games have been dumbed down (excuse the expression) down for cross plattform release.

the term they use on SW.com is "Xbox'd." just an option.

#8 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #6 by DrunkenPrayer

I see where you're coming from. PC gamers and Console gamers might not have the same tastes, nor the Budget to be a PC gamer as well. I'm one of them. I have a PC, I use it for gameing, but not as much as I do with my consoles, all for the fact that my PC is 5+ years old. If I had more money, I would. But since I don't console gameing is the best alternative. Well, back to Halo

I think that Halo 3 will offer to be more innovative than the last two. For starters, it's multiplayer lobby system, while unchanged sinced Halo 1, is still the best out there. Bungie is also adding in Forge, which allows players to edit maps and save those creations, and then takes it one step further and allows you to share those with everybody, just like a PC. Another online aspect is the video system. With this, you will be able to take videos and screenshots from both online and campaign, and share them like you fo with your forge maps. This will be a huge tool to people Rooster Teeth who do Machinimas.

Oh and BTW, I have seen videos of G-Mods, and it does look sweet.

#9 Posted 1 year ago

ok first of all

Gears of War on the other hand was an outstanding game, I've never played it online but if the single player was any indication then I think it would be amazing.

I wouldn't advise it, that game sould just be called shotguns online as thats mostly what people use and for the people who live and breath gears they can pull off a one shot kill with a shotgun befour you even have time to fire but try it if you don't belive me! oh and in case you didn't notice GoW is a third person shooter!

And you know what im tierd of trying to stick up for halo as much as you keep trying to put it down at the end of the day if you don't like a game you don't like it its all opinion, i love halo as it was the first game i got on my xbox i loved it the whole story, the game play, the flood and covenant, weapons and so one, i was always playing it with my friends or whenever i had time and to me theres never really been a game thats replaced halo in my heart, and over the last 6 years it ive basically grown up with it thats why i like it as i have played other FPS games out there and have still stuck with halo. Maybe you think there are better FPS out there thats your opinion, you don't have to start topics like this because your basically trying to piss off all the people who do like halo as you've already prove the point that you think its over rated in a few other topics, its not over rated just not everyone else see it the way you do!

Tsukuruya

#10 Posted 1 year ago

Here's my rant, Gears of War is not considered "First Person Shooter" because you control the character in 3rd Person View... It has some elements of FPS, but it's not known as 100% FPS, just a regular shooter to be exact (something similar to Metal Gear Solid)...

Second, I agree with you on the Halo thing... I've had conversations with GameStop talking about what really is seriously interesting about Halo, since its generically another FPS that's nothing special... Going with every functions of the game, weapons and items, and gameplay, the only bias thing they could come up "You just hate it because you suck at it..." No, my point is, why is it so grandly amusing that causes great amount of fanservice??? Is it because people like playing each other??? Then why play another FPS with the same multiplayer function... Is it because of an internet TV show known as "Red vs Blue" that causes people to enjoy the game more like how LittleKuriboh creates "Yugioh: The Abridged Series"??? Well, of course that will increase nice views towards the original items, but that doesn't change gameplay or functions of the game... So really people, what is it that causes you people to absolutely enjoy this game???

#11 Posted 1 year ago

Then why play another FPS with the same multiplayer function... Is it because of an internet TV show known as "Red vs Blue"

WTF? did you read my post above or did you just decided to crap out a load of bullsh*t information after reading the first post. Halo had a huge fanbase befour red vs blue and you had to have played halo to be interested in it, just becuade there has been a machinima made about it dousn't mean you enjoy the game more, you have no proof! i haven't watched a single yu-gi-oh episode since the abridged series came out and i still enjoy it! And lots of people enjoy it for different reasons: mulitplayer, gameplay, story, content e.g weapons and other reasons, every FPS is different in its own way a lot of people just happen to like halo more because it appeals to them.

lucienlachance
Banned

#12 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #10 by Tsukuruya

Then why play another FPS with the same multiplayer function...

because that doesn't exist on consoles.

LegendaryEd

#13 Posted 1 year ago

Well, I certainly know why I play Halo and the like on Xbox. It's because I first played it on the Xbox. After playing for a while on a console, with no PC experience, it simply doesn't feel comfortable to play on the PC. And as for Halo, I myself like it. Mostly for the multiplayer, which I find a very friendly and laid back atmosphere. Wanna play some CTF? Nah, man, I'm just hanging around. Hell, there are people that play glitches. GLITCHES. I can't stand that, but if that floats your boat, to each his own.

#14 Posted 1 year ago

*Salutes DrunkenPrayer* (If you hadn't made the topic, I would've).

I agree completely with Tsukuruya: What makes the Halo series all that special?
And the only plausible reason was given by lucenlachance; are there any console FPS's that can match it?

When I play UT2004 or even Quake, the action is fast-paced. Heck, if you've ever played Onslaught (UT2004) the game is basically a warzone. When I play Halo, it seems to be a Goldeneye-like FPS (i.e. to kill someone you basically just shoot at them a lot hoping they die) with vehicles as an addition (the vehicles for UT2004 >>> Halo; see Leviathan). There's no double-jumping (Imagine playing UT2004/Quake without double-jumping) which is really disappointing for an FPS.

So far, no one has posted the merits of Halo/Halo 2 (i.e. points that make it innovative, or general points that enhance/improve gameplay). Perhaps this would help prevent the topic from turning into a flamefest.

lucienlachance
Banned

#15 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #14 by OverMind

since when does a game have to revolutionize a genre to be good?

DrunkenPrayer

#16 Posted 1 year ago

I just watched a preview for the new UT that I hadn't seen before and OMFG, the vehicle combat looks leaps and bounds ahead of anything ever done in a FPS game before. Apparently onslaught mode is making a return as well.
Whoever pointed out GoW being a 3rd person, good point. A lot of the actual gameplay is 3rd person but the majority of the shooting I found myself using 1st person which is why I keep calling it a FPS when it really isn't for the most part.

lucienlachance
Banned

#17 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #16 by DrunkenPrayer

there's no first person in GeOW. like, at all.

#18 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #15 by lucienlachance

Don't recall using the word "revolutionize" anywhere.
Unless you confused "innovative" (which has more to do with introducing something new) with "revolutionize" (which has more to do with changing the whole genre and creating new standards). Usually, innovation leads into revolutionization, but I digress.

To clarify though, the main crux of this thread is to discuss why Halo isn't the greatest FPS of all time. So, I was proposing that Halo enthusiasts provide points that help support Halo being a great FPS compared to the other main contenders. When I mentioned "points that make it innovative" it was just an example, since great games tend to be innovative. Personally, I find Halo has less to offer.

#19 Posted 1 year ago

Like I said, Halo's multiplayer system is hands down the best. The way the mutliplayer lobby is as you say "leaps and bounds" ahead of everybody else (well, except for CoD4). Another thing that people like about Halo is that while it doesn't bring much new to the table, it does everything right. The weapons are balanced, the vehicles are balanced, the story (while the same old "One man saves humanity" bit) is engrossing. It has Characters, it has tension, it has that white knuckle action. All you need to do is give it some time. Halo 3 will improve on all of those with Forge, the video feature, and the improvements to the campaign.

lucienlachance
Banned

#20 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #18 by OverMind

wrong. innovations revolutionize a genre. everything else is a novelty.

#21 Posted 1 year ago

just watched a preview for the new UT that I hadn't seen before and OMFG, the vehicle combat looks leaps and bounds ahead of anything ever done in a FPS game before

I
m guessing you've not see anything for halo 3 yet vehicle wise so let me inform you:
In addition to all the old vehicles there are:
The brute chooper: a cross between a moterbike and a tank with two mounted guns on the side.
The elephant: a mobile base that holds and tank and 2 mongooses and 12 people including a turret on the top.
The hornet: the human version of the banshee but also holds two other persons.
The mongoose: small quad bike that holds 2 and is used for recon.

there is also more that i can't be botherd listing there is also a new map called sand pit a huge map that is made for vehicle combat! Also the fact that you can now save and re watch missions and mulitplayer battles see them for different views and pause it take pictures and share them online and on the website, and now also with the custom spartans you player feels more personal to you. You can tell you have no idea of the new functions in halo 3 and how much it has changed, just throwing in facts about other games, just saying you opinion of how the game feels to you because aparently what you think is what everyone else in the world should think and so far there just 3 of you ranting a load of crap about you views, in for my point of view UT is not that good but i don't make topics about it or tell you your opinions are wrong and the game you love and enjoy is crap!

#22 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #20 by lucienlachance

Um, isn't that what I said?

Usually, innovation leads into revolutionization

You need innovations for revolutionization to take place. They are two different things.

*reads benjirimm's post*

Just some advice: The period (i.e. "." this thing) is a writer's best friend.

I could list all the vehicles for UT2004 and the upcoming UT3, but there's no point since your argument is moot. You're assuming he hasn't seen anything for Halo 3, but you're assumption could very well be wrong. It could very well be that the vehicles for UT3 are in fact better than Halo 3. Of course, both games can change by the time they are released, so you can only tell so much from previews.

Also, I don't know where you got this from:

aparently what you think is what everyone else in the world should think

Perhaps I missed something?? DrunkenPrayer, have you been trying to force your ideology on forum users again?

You state UT is crap/not that good. Fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But, perhaps you can give the reasoning that lead to this opinion? Have you played UT at all? And, if you have, what grievances do you have with it?

For the record, I don't think Halo is crap I think it's just average.
It does bring some innovations (Halo 2 has a really good physics engine, and you can mix-and-match weapons when dual-wielding them) but I dont think these have revolutionized the genre.
Again, I need my FPS to have double-jumping, and the ability to carry an assortment of weapons (Halo/Halo 2 was purposefully made to not include this). Though Halo brings a storyline/plot, I play FPS's solely for multiplayer. Unreal was made specifically to be played online with a lot of people. And it does this very, very well.

#23 Posted 1 year ago

since im tierd and can't be botherd making a decent argument ill give you this.
Yes i have played UT i wouldn't say i didn't like it if i hadn't, i just didn't enjoy it to be honest just wasn't my kind of game can't really give a proper reason apart from i love a good story line in a game, and no i didn't like it just because it wasn't halo befour anyone say anyfing. I can tell from the arguments he gives that he hasn't seen much of the content of halo 3.

Ah screw it, you know what i don't really give a fu*k what you or drunkenplayer or who ever else says trying to prove me wrong or whoever thinks its over rated or all that crap, i have been looking forward to this game since i completed halo 2 nearly 3 years ago. Its now close to its release date and i just can't wait im going to get this game and enjoy no matter what you say. All this ranting is really pointless, if you think about it everyone feels diffenrent about things all were trying to do is trying to prove that were right, but then someone else come along with there views trying to prove there point. This topic was made to piss people who like halo off and it has, you know what i can deal with the fact that halo isn't loved by everyone so what. Just because you don't like it dousn't mean its over rated as people think differnet from you.

I also think this topic sould be locked as Drunkenpalyer will have known full well this would happen, with a title like that knowing that there are a lot off people on this forum like halo its asking for this from the start and its just going to get worse if it carrys on!

Shadowmayne

#24 Posted 1 year ago

I read nothing but I will say this...Aliens Vs Predator 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Most Fps on Computer or Console.

*leaves*

theHOLYmackerel

#25 Posted 1 year ago

Ummmm.... out of context?
Personally, I have nothing against Halo. It's a fun game to play, and the multiplayer is simple and engaging.
I wish there were more games like Halo on the PC, mostly because I like engaged combat (shoot at the other guy and hope you live) like that provided by Halo. I think Halo provides a good battle system that allows for many variations in how to fight your opponent, and it causes you to have to think fast when engaging someone else. For this reason, I like games like Halo and CoD more than more objective, team based games such as Battlefield or UT2004.
Not that I don't play those games, because for another year I'll still only be allowed to buyT games, and there are only a few FPS's of that rating, and Halo isn't one of them. Neither is UT.

Readout

#26 Posted 1 year ago

Me thinks that the reason Halo is so popular (amoung the people that are more then sheep anyways) is because its easy to pick up. You can grab the controller, mess about, then throw it to a friend and he won't spend half an hour being killed by a grunt.
Unlike GoW, it's pretty easy for newbies. When I was playing Gears with my xbox-challenged-friends, they were fairly consistantly 'nade tag bait. But with Halo, they scored quite a bit.
As for the "best shooter of all time" arguement, really all you need to do is wave Doom infront of them and anyone with taste will realise that graphics don't count for sh*t, and DOOM 1 is a pretty damn good game.
Oooooh, Gears has 8 player online play! Woop-dey-f*cking-doo, DOOM was the original Deathmatch game! Halo's lobbys?
Yeah, I will admit that they do beat DOOM and Gears.
But does Halo have a chainsaw?
I think not.

--edit--
Halo is still a pretty damn good game though, and works pretty well around the limitations of the console. Gears didn't really have lots of weapons. There were half a dozen swappable weapons, and you could only have two, grenades, (which should be a seperate thing entirely. Why do you have to put away your gun to use grenades? It's just silly.... and a pistol which was more or less useless.
DOOM on the other hand, how can I carry two shotguns, a BFG, a chainsaw, plasma gun, rocket launcher and more? At least two weapons is realistic.
Wow, the tone of my post really changed there.... Sorry, just wanted to be fairer since the start of the post was fairly anti-console and the end was fairly pro-Halo. Try and mix them up a bit. You know, make it all even

#27 Posted 1 year ago

A big contrast you will notice is that Halo strides to be really realistic (i.e. I mentioned the physics engine, Readout pointed out that holding 2 weapons only is plausible, plus there's the fact that double-jumping and nifty aerobic maneuvers are missing).

Going back to other FPS's, the focus of realism is downplayed. Unreal Tournament is a great example because the main philosophy of the game is to incorporate the unreal. The main strength gained here is that elements can be incorporated to make the game much more enjoyable.

i.e. I want to be able to carry an assortment of weapons. In Onslaught (Unreal), I could be using my Flak Cannon in close combat, Sniper Rifle to shoot someone from a distance, but both of these weapons are disadvantageous if a manta (hovercraft, best equivalent in Halo is probably the Ghost) is coming at me. Main Point: I need a variety of weapons to take down opponents in varying conditions, and I need to do this with a simple change in the weapon I am holding.

lucienlachance
Banned

#28 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #27 by OverMind

since when did halo focus on realism? try picking up a tank IRL. it's harder than it looks.

#29 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #28 by lucienlachance

Keep in mind that Master Chief is genetically modified, has a suit that makes him stronger, and has been in the military since he was six.