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| #31 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | I wasn't going to bring it up but people are citing Halo's lobby system as a reason for why the game is so good? Maybe for the Xbox that's some big thing but the game finders on PC games - apart from CS which seems to be a completely mis-coded piece of trash that can't even find the main server half the time *deep breath* - other PC and console games have perfectly fine game finding tools. OK Halo has one map that's designed specifically for vehicle battle but what about the other five dozen levels where those vehicles are completely impracticle? Don't get me wrong here Half Life 2 wasn't much better for this but that's probably for the same reason as in Halo that the physics screw you over half the time.
Shadowmaybe thanks for mentioning Alien vs Predator 2, I'd completely forgotten about that game. It's sorely over looked when people mention FPS despite having three great single player modes and being hugely engaging for multiplayer.
FAO benji: I didn't make this thread to convert everyone, I did it out of politeness to keep my anti Halo talk out of the already existent Halo 3 thread and give people the option to discuss other games. You seem to be the one that started the preaching here, not vice versa. |
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| #32 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | about the other five dozen levels where those vehicles are completely impracticle?
Did i say that? there are other maps that include vehicles and the can be used effectivly in combat or with somthing like the mongoess as a quick escape with the flag!
Ok what im i preaching? Ever time you said somthing bad about halo i came up with a goods points why is that preaching? Also you have bitched about halo in other topics that the actual halo 3 one. This topic has been dominated by the halo argument as you made a topic called 'the halo haters club' and so far its got you no were you got about 3 people to agree with you whos reasons are mostly bullsh*t, the 'and FPS' part may as well be in small print and you only added that so the topic wasn't locked for flamebait and there has been about 3/4 posts out of over 30 about other FPS, you even talked about Gears of war which is a TPS! |
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| #33 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #11 by benjirimm | Reply | WTF? did you read my post above or did you just decided to crap out a load of bullsh*t information after reading the first post. Halo had a huge fanbase befour red vs blue and you had to have played halo to be interested in it, just becuade there has been a machinima made about it dousn't mean you enjoy the game more, you have no proof! i haven't watched a single yu-gi-oh episode since the abridged series came out and i still enjoy it! And lots of people enjoy it for different reasons: mulitplayer, gameplay, story, content e.g weapons and other reasons, every FPS is different in its own way a lot of people just happen to like halo more because it appeals to them.
Reading the replay towards me, it hasn't answered my question... My question is WHY does it have a huge fanbase???
What "Red vs Blue" did is actually raised replay value of the game, same as "YGO: Abridged Series" increase rewatch value of the original series... Though, increasing replay value or not, the game mechanics is just basically similar to other FPS...
About other people liking it because it appeals to them more, my question is why??? |
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| #34 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #30 by benjirimm | Reply | overmind why do you not like a game just because is dousn't have double jump? its like the worst freature ever in a FPS its only good in platform games really!
If you took the time to read my posts, you would have realized that I never said I disliked Halo. I clearly said it was average (Read the end of Post #22).
Double-jumping is the worst feature in an FPS?
Obviously I disagree, and I will cite reasons for why it is advantageous (unlike you who has given no adequate reason for why its disadvantageous).
- An extra jump is sometimes necessary for reaching a higher height
- Allows for extra maneuvering capabilities when fighting opponents (i.e. Unreal allows a double jump to occur while strafing)
Subpoint: Dodging
- I've used it countless time to get that extra height I needed to jump over vehicles coming right at me
- Conversely, a skilled double-jumper can better avoid attacks in Deathmatches
Basically, I see it as a plus. Please list reasons for why you believe it is the "worst feature" in an FPS. Perhaps it would help me better understand why old-school FPSs like Duke Nukem 3D have it, and even new games like Metroid Prime still include it. Or maybe not.since when did halo focus on realism? try picking up a tank IRL. it's harder than it looks.
That's not the kind of realism I was talking about.
I'm talking about how Halo only allows for the player to hold 2 weapons (because, of course, it's impossible/impractical to hold 10 and in the type of warfare environment that Halo simulates, a soldier can only carry 1 or 2).
Also, the Havoc physics engine allows Halo to be realistic in another sense. (i.e. check out the ragdoll physics when players die, or when vechicles explode).
And of course, non-existent double-jumping. I can't do it IRL, can you? Simplistic maneuvering (when compared to other FPSs) makes sense when you want to preserve realism.
The fact that Masterchief can drive a tank is not the realism I was talking about (but Duffman did make a good point for why it is plausible); the fact that the tank behaves like a real-life tank is realism. |
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| #35 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #33 by Tsukuruya | Reply | Why? Because its a damn good game.
This means that it gets hyped.
This means that 14 year olds decide to love it.
This means it has a large fanbase.
QED.
Why does Shadowrun have a large fanbase? Or GoW? Neither of them are particularly innovative, or in actual fact that impressive really, (don't harp on at me about graphics, Gears is narrow corridors with good shadows) Nor is Halo.
But in terms of games, GoW and Halo are damn good. So is Rainbow 6: Vegas.
And Oblivion.
The media hypes them up, so every sheep in the country comes to the game.
Why is this a pain? because it makes it a hell of a lot harder to get a good game.
If people go around saying "halo roxors my soxors" then people will think that a) all halo fans are idiots and b) it won't live up to the hype.
Like christmas when you're old enough to be cynical but young enough to be naive. It never lives up to what you think it might just be.
And you never get that one damned present.....
What was my point?
My point was this: forget the review sites and everyone make up your own damn mind about if the game is good or not. Then we might not have to constantly worry about flame wars breaking out over the popular game of the month.
p.s. for the record, i like both Halo and Gears, but Shadowrun sort of passed me by.
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Double jumping really is just a particular thing really. Halo has a large jump. gears has no jump. Unreal has double jump. Three extremely different games. Lets try not to over-generalise, hmm? I would be willing to bet, infact, that there are probably an even number of jump to double jump games. Maybe slightly in the favour of single jump.
Disadvantages? Advantages? No such thing. Just a different style of gameplay. Sure, you can have disadvantages of using or not using. but come on. Is it better to have or not to have? Thats like comparing sailing and powerboating. Very different, albeit both do the same thing. |
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| #36 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | The media hypes them up, so every sheep in the country comes to the game. sheep are nintendo fanboys. they don't line up for anything other than what nintendo tells them to line up for. |
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| #37 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | Jeez, so much fighting. =/
I don't see why people feel like they have to hate Halo. It's a good console game, can't we just acknowledge that? If you don't want to play it, that's okay. Don't. D: |
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| #38 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #37 by PersianSpice | Reply | | Well, people fight against it because they hate it... I fight against it to find answers on "Why Halo has a huge fanbase???"... So far, I have never gotten a straight answer from anyone, so if anyone there would likely be kind as to answer the question with a bit of reasonable backing, I would kinda step away from this topic... Otherwise, please keep stating your "Halo is god" thing as I keep going towards the "What about FPS that is nearly similar to Halo" point... |
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| #39 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #37 by PersianSpice | Reply | My standing is similar to Tsukuruya's, I disagree with Halo/Halo 2 being the best or greatest FPS which are claims Halo enthusiasts tend to make. For example, I am irked by statements such as the following:Like I said, Halo's multiplayer system is hands down the best.
I found multiplayer to be satisfactory, not the best. |
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| #40 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | Also you have bitched about halo in other topics that the actual halo 3 one
But I decided to leave them alone rather than continue. I'll argue my point anywhere if there's a valid reason. Really what did you expect in this thread?
Whoever mentioned fanboys just reminded me about and argument I had with a friend who happens to share some peoples sentiments on Halo having the best multiplayer ever. He cited something like the fact that Edge gave it 10/10 and it's the only game ever to get a prefect score there as if that settled the argument. I've never checked up the truth of this fact but it pissed me off to no end that he tried to pass that off as a sound argument.
Bugger it I'll be back after I've played some more Jedi Knight 2.
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| #41 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | "Why Halo has a huge fanbase???"
well you could say that about a lot of things that have a fanbase really. The fact is it just happens to be a game that a lot of people enjoy for one reason or another, everyone you ask could give you a diffenrent answer. Like i like it for the gameplay and i love the storyline. Im not that botherd about online play and lobby's and all that like other people are, but i do love playing the multiplayer with my friends its just one of those games we can spend a whole day on which we never do on any on any other game i don't no why it just is. Basically your looking for facts and to be fair i can't give you them maybe it is the media or what ever you think, but i really don't think theres much point in giving you an answer as you'll ask 'why?' or why you disagree with it! |
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| #42 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #41 by benjirimm | Reply | Well, I can't accept personal opinions as real answers unless the large population agree the same thing... Just inputting "This game has a large fanbase because of its gameplay" doesn't really put it, since every other FPS games have similar gameplay...
Just putting into comparison, Super Smash Bros. is a popular game with a large fanbase... Reason why this game is popular is because it's different... I'm pretty sure there is a bunch of other games similar to it, but can you actually name a game similar to SSB series that people will in fact recognized... Not only that, but it also has Nintendo cameo characters that most people can recognize by gaming experience... |
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| #43 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | Just putting into comparison, Super Smash Bros. is a popular game with a large fanbase... Reason why this game is popular is because it's different
What thats it FPS wise halo is different from all the other games out there. Well, I can't accept personal opinions as real answers unless the large population agree the same thing
so what SSB has a fan base full of people who like it for different reasons not because its different! Oh and you want a fact halo 3 will sell more copies thans SSBB and you can come up with any bullsh*t reason why you think it woun't but the fact is it will! |
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| #44 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | | I played Halo 3 yesterday with my friend. It was my first time playing Halo. I finaly got to play this game everyone seems so excited about. I've got to say i don't know what people see in this game. We beat Heroic first and it was such a pain[ ( i hate that freaking flood level, rescue Cortana or whatever it was, and you were helped by the Flood like two minutes before when killing the Prophets, does that make any sense. ] And this game is incredibly short. Though driving the car was fun because the game was finally going to end. Also we beat the game on Easy right afterward. |
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| #45 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | I have to admit, Microsoft has done well promoting the game though.
For some reason, I have fallen in love with the commercial because it contrasts what you would expect for games in this kind of genre.
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| #46 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #44 by Nottham | Reply | Nottham in your spoiler you got mixed up between too levels so no it didn't make any sence!
[ You are helped by the flood to get to the prophet of truth as he has activated the ark with will distroy everything. Only a human can turn it off or on as the forrunners were humans, and after the ark has been de-activated and the prophet has been killed the flood have no reason to work with you they were only thinking of saving themselves! so you ither ment that level or the level on high charity where you have to find cortona on the flood infested ship! ] |
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| #47 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | | What i meant was that [ Master chief and the Arbiter just get to the place where the prophet is and the flood drop down say like three things and all of a sudden MC and the Arbiter are like "Ok we will trust them" and they fight alogside the floodd for a few minutes until the prophet dies. Then the next level, the one that looks like you are going through a giant intestine you are fighting the flood again, that didn't make much sense to me. On another note the last level that robot kills Johnson and turns on Master Chief and the Arbiter Wtf. ] Maybe I need to know more about the other games to understand anything, I just felt really confused with this game and my friend wasn't really good at explaining anything.[ He said the Arbiter was a banished elite that needed to get it's honor back or something like that, but then i read on wikipedia that the arbiters are like chosen ones, so which is it? ] |
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| #48 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | well this is going to take some explaing!
The aribter is a sacred role that is given to elites sent on suicide missions at times of need! The arbiter is blamed for the distruction of the first halo (from halo 1) as he was the ship master and is sentenced to death! But a group of elites create a heratic group upon learning about the true nature of the halo rings so an aribter is needed, and since he is sentenced to death anyway and is a great soilder he is made an arbitar after killing the heratic leader is is allowed to keep the role!
now for your other qustion:
[ 343 guilty spark is the moniter (a robot designed to help a recliamer (a human) activate halo to stop the flood) of the halo in the first game. After the distruction of his ring by master chief he is left to wonder the universe he meets the leader of the heratics in halo 2 and he is the one who tells them of the rings purpose. After the death of the heratic leader 343 is captured by the coanant. In halo 3 as his ring has been distroyed he has no purpose but to help humans. When the new ring is created on the ark spark takes his role as the moniter again for the new ring. When he learns that jonson,Mc and arbitar want to activate halo befour its ready which will cause the distruction of both the new halo and the ark as his role is to deffend his ring thats why he says to MC 'you are reclaimer, but this is my ring' ]
Yeah there are loads of spelling mistakes in there as i did this dead quick but ti hope that helps! |
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| #49 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | | Ok that helps, thank you, I thought the Arbiter was pretty cool(he has a sword). There is one more question did the Arbiter and MC fight in the last game or is it just because the arbiter was an elite that MC rushed him with his gun at the begining of the game. |
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| #50 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | well the ariber blamed MC for him becoming disgraced as he destroyed the halo. MC and the arbitar meet but are in the clutches of the gravmind so have no chance to actually make contact, at the end of halo 2 there is a covernant civil war were the elites leave the covernant as they were replaced by the brutes as the elites are seen inable to protect the prophets as MC has just killed one, the arbitar learns the truth about the halos the elites join the humans to stop the prophet of truth. MC was not around when this aliance is made so does not know the arbitar is helping them at the start of halo 3.
It all clear now?
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| #51 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | | Oh now it starts to be a little more interesting. I think the Arbiter is the coolest character of that game, now. |
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| #53 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | | Have you actually played halo 3 yet drunkenplayer? |
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| #56 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | meh, me no likey Halo, doesn't mean I hate it tho'........
just get tired when pplz sayhow great it is......
meh |
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| #57 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | Have you actually played halo 3 yet drunkenplayer?
Yes, it's exactly what I expected apart from the fact that the graphics are a lot more impressive than I thought they would be. But they're still not any more impressive than a ton of other games out at the moment. |
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| #58 Posted 1 year ago, in reply to post #57 by DrunkenPrayer | Reply | | So there still good and so what! what you think about game play, design, new features all that? |
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| #59 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | Gameplay, standard Halo. Design, the maps are a lot better than the previous two so it doesn't feel as linear but there are still far better designed games out there and the squad AI is useless, they might as well not have bothered even putting them in there. I'd imagine playing the campaign co-op would be a lot more fun. No new enemies so far from what I've seen and they still seem to have the same basic AI that they've been using since the first game.
The multiplayer I haven't tried on Live yet but I've heard it's annoying and the veto system and consequent drop in rankings if you choose not to participate in a particular game is makes it sound like what should have been it's main selling feature - the multiplayer has been pretty poorly implemented.
The only really cool new thing seems to be the ability to create custom games and maps to an extent which isn't exactly a new thing and is a lot easier to do in other games.
I can handle below mind blowing graphics if a game actually makes up for it in gameplay but as it stands it seems like paying full price for an average single player campaign and a poorly thought out multiplayer. So basically the last two games with prettier graphics, still fun to play on a big telly with some mates but not the greatest FPS game ever made that Bungie/Microsoft tout it to be. |
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| #60 Posted 1 year ago | Reply | Before I post I wanted to say, this post is not a flame.... just how i feel about Halo 3 adds being everywhere and fans of the series not shutting up about it. Its cool that some people Like that game serries, but please dont invade shops, telivision chanels ect.... In my opinion its just another FPS. And If anyone wanted to shoot somthing so badly why not just go to a local shooting club and shoot targets or plates? Or even better join the army. But that is my bias against the series out of the way before i can get to posting :)
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I do aknollge that people might like FPS, but I too am curios what makes Halo 3 all that? And why so diferent from any other FPS.
I see the main character Mr Chef and think he resemebles any generic soilder, and the monster in the pick on this looked similar to the monsters on quake. All Im asking whats so specail about it? The only first person shoot the ups that have showed any differance are Golden eye(n64), and that crappy nerf one on the pc years ago all the rest just seem like generic doom and quake ripp offs... sorry
I do not mind people liking it, But when they have carboard lifesize figures in all the shops of the game, and you cant get served it is kind of worrying. Its even more worrying when a shooting game makes its way the main page of this site.... :-P lolJust putting into comparison, Super Smash Bros. is a popular game with a large fanbase... Reason why this game is popular is because it's different... I'm pretty sure there is a bunch of other games similar to it, but can you actually name a game similar to SSB series that people will in fact recognized... Not only that, but it also has Nintendo cameo characters that most people can recognize by gaming experience...
And It was mentioned before that Super smash bro is different and still yet popular. Where I am not a Wii owner, I would have to agreee with the combat system bieng easy and inovative, and a host of characters that people know *and actually show some originaloty (unlike Master Chef / doom guy and Unreal torminet guy if the last one exsisted). The only game I would say was similar to SSB would be powerstone on the Dreamcast, and thought similar was very diffent game play. There are probally others, but not on current consols. :) So unlike Halo Super Smash bro does have its own market, where as Halo just seems like any other FPS... just with good press. |
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