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| #1 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | In todays world, many religions exist. But when their belief systems get into politics, MAJOR problems occur. I think personally that this problem is a major speed bump in the progression to peace. I do not think that we should destroy religion, nor do I think that there should be one unified religion. In fact, the multiple looks on the universe are rather nice. On the other hand, I do not think that religion should be involved in politics.
Free will is a part of the human existence, and should not be snuffed out, and should not be controlled, but instead should be let loose to roam free, WITHIN REASON.
Religion is the cause of some wars, because some take it out of hand.
Religions should be a GUIDELINE to live by, not a law that forces people to do and/or believe EVERYTHING within it.
What I am getting at is this:
What do you think about religion?
As a bonus question, and you may or may not answer this, it is up to you, why not tell us your religion?
I myself have a religion I am proud to be a part of, even though it is looked down upon in basically all society. It is Satanism. I do NOT hate Christianity, nor do I have any problem dealing with those within it's belief system. Most of my friends are Christian in fact. So do not look down upon me for what I am...and DO NOT judge me for what I believe. I want a peaceful discussion within this topic. No flaming or putting down of other religions/beliefs...PLEASE! |
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| #2 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | Many religions exist because different people have different interpertations of the same thing.Religion is the cause of some wars, because some take it out of hand.
Religion has cause many wars and I am sure that there will be many wars still to come over disputes over certain aspects of region.Religions should be a GUIDELINE to live by, not a law that forces people to do and/or believe EVERYTHING within it.
In the Old Testament of Exodus we where give the laws to live by in following God, when Jesus died on the cross for everyone the old laws where no longer the laws that we had to live by and did become guidlines.
What do you think about religion?
I think that there are a lot of extremest when it comes to religion which puts people off of religion all together, other religions that pose as relgions that are actually cults.As a bonus question, and you may or may not answer this, it is up to you, why not tell us your religion?
I am a christian which you could proberly already know since you have read some of my other posts on other topics. The denomination that I am is Baptist but when I am at home I go to a The Church of Christ church. |
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| #3 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | I think that although everyone claims not to want religion to become the law, there are many groups striving to achieve just that. For example, the website that aims to introduce laws punishing disrespect for your parents (amongst other things) with the death penalty, because of what it says in the Bible. Apparently Jesus urging his disciples to abandon their families was different. I also think that the line between strong, genuine belief and extremism is a lot more pliable than people think.
Surprising no-one, I will say that I have no religion. I'm an ex-Christian, turned atheist in my early teens. |
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| #4 Posted 6 months ago, in reply to post #2 by Feball3001 | Reply | I think that there are a lot of extremest when it comes to religion which puts people off of religion all together, other religions that pose as relgions that are actually cults.
You do know that if a belief has more than 1 million followers, it is considered a fully established religion, right? And I hope that you know that a cult is an inside organization that is a break-off of another religion, and most religions, including Christianity, started as a cult of sorts. |
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| #5 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | What do you think about religion?
I think religion is an outward and organised expression of a necessary spiritual development stage that all people are challenged with. The security and sureness is something we humans need in a certain phase of our spiritual development, just like we need the physical security of our parents when we're young. The challenge is to not see it as the climax of development, rather as a stage, with other stages after it.why not tell us your religion?
I was raised outside of any organised religion, I adopted Christianity, specifically two different churches at two periods of my life, and have since developed / evolved past both. So I guess I am a post-Christian spiritual person. I don't really have a "tag" for it. |
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| #6 Posted 6 months ago, in reply to post #5 by atemssoulmate | Reply | I think religion is an outward and organised expression of a necessary spiritual development stage that all people are challenged with.
Ok seriously, this is getting weird. I like to write in my spare time, and I once wrote a short story expressing exactly this opinion. Well, I described it in terms of human arrogance, but it's basically the same thing. |
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| #7 Posted 6 months ago, in reply to post #6 by agrajagthetesty | Reply | | ...and you thought you entering the forums......little did you know....you were entering ..... THE TWILIGHT ZONE...do do do do .. do do do do .. do do do do .. |
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| #8 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | Wait...What are the satanist beleifs? Well anyways, I am answering the bonus. I am a protestant christian and I am proud of it. Nobody will change that.
[ I can already taste the flaming in this thread. ] |
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| #9 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | I can already taste the flaming in this thread.
Really? I haven't seen any just yet.
Anyway, it is often said that religion shouldn't get into politics. This is true to an extent. However, the thing to realize is that there are people in politics...and they all want their own views to be dominant in society. It's hard to just say that religion cannot be brought into politics, because that would, for many people, remove their opinions completely from the political system. |
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| #10 Posted 6 months ago, in reply to post #9 by darkarcher | Reply | It's hard to just say that religion cannot be brought into politics, because that would, for many people, remove their opinions completely from the political system.
This point seems a little odd to me, because, of course, it's possible for people to have opinions that aren't based on religion. When people say religion shouldn't be brought into politics, usually what they mean is that politics should not be dominated by a particular religion. That leads inevitably to prejudice. A person's religion shapes their thinking, so to a certain extent it is impossible to remove religion from politics. However, I personally feel that when a politician defends their actions by talking about their religious beliefs or "God's will", that is going too far. |
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| #11 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | A person's religion shapes their thinking, so to a certain extent it is impossible to remove religion from politics.
That was the point I was making, thanks. |
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| #12 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | | Satanist beliefs? Look them up yourself! I really hate explaining it, because as you can imagine, I get asked to explain them a lot. So if you don't mind, just look them up yourself.... |
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| #13 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | | I don't want keywords like 'Satan' or 'Satanic Cult and religions' in my history.... |
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| #15 Posted 6 months ago, in reply to post #13 by lukeh | Reply | Satanism was once described to me as a "transitional religion." It is essentially an atheistic religion with a small amount of spirituality involved. I like to think of it as a step between atheism and other religions such as christianity. However, as Underling said, Satanism can mean any number of things. What I said may or may not apply to the topic creator.
In case anyone didn't already know, I am an atheist. |
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| #16 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | lukeh
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I'm a Satanist. A philosophical one. There are indeed a few variations of Satanism, so don't get confused. Some are incredibly atheistic in their views about deities, and others center around the worship of a deity. I think it's pretty ignorant of you to assume it's a cult. And you drive your ignorance even further by refusing to learn about it. That's sad.
Philosophical Satanism is about the indulgence of sin and living your short life to the fullest. Nope, sorry to disappoint but I don't drink blood or sacrifice virgins. |
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| #17 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | Religion is a great little thing for society. Every religion humorously has another religion that totally destroys each other. For instance, some give morals, while others take them away. Some destroy peace while others hold peace above all else. In my opinion religion is the only thing keeping the world from going immortal and going into supreme chaos. Sure there extremists in just about every religion, but those are minorities.
I am a Communist Christian. Doesn't sound right, huh? Not in my opinion. I think that the best form of government is a fusion of church and state under Communism, ruled as a theocracy. I'm a Calvinist officially, but I founded an unofficial denomination based upon all of my beliefs put together called Aparadisianism. I am therefore an Aparadisianist. |
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| #18 Posted 6 months ago, in reply to post #17 by TheFall | Reply | That's an incredibly ideal viewpoint you have. While it would be perfect if people were completely willing to follow it, the thing is that many would reject that sort of government. That's just not the way society works.
It's a nice thought, really, but it's based upon your own ideals that simply clash with others'.
I am Roman Catholic. I believe in transubstantiation. I believe in purgatory. I don't believe anyone is in Hell except maybe those who outright say, "I want to go to Hell, I want nothing to do with Heaven." I believe creationism and evolutionism can coexist. I also believe in ecumenism and uniting Christians instead of making more and more and more denominations. |
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| #19 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | Yes, more and more denominations aren't helping, just making more viewpoints as more and more people argue they're right about things that barely give a clue in the Bible. And you're right about the objection of that kind of government. That's just how we are, and society is...well bad in my opinion. If people just all thought alike, we wouldn't have pointless deaths or anything like that.
TO add to my beliefs, I don't believe that any human will enter heaven. Now don't go shouting off at me because that destroys any point in Jesus. No, it's just that I believe in a state of sleep for Christians, a state of persecution for nonbeliever's in God's prison complex, Hell, until judgment where Christians will go to the New Earth while the goats go to the Lake of FIre or whatever you want it called. |
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| #20 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | If people just all thought alike, we wouldn't have pointless deaths or anything like that.
If everyone thought alike, there'd be no point in religions in the first place. We'd all be right or wrong regardless. |
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| #21 Posted 6 months ago, in reply to post #19 by TheFall | Reply | If people just all thought alike...
What you are describing would be my personal hell. I will never understand the mind of a communist. |
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| #22 Posted 6 months ago, in reply to post #16 by Sophie | Reply | Finally! Some one that KNOWS about religion!!!! THANK YOU!!!
I myself on the other hand AM a worshiper of Satan and sin and wish to live life to the fullest with nothing holding me back. Have fun while you can I always say! |
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| #23 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | In my opinion religion is the only thing keeping the world from going immortal and going into supreme chaos.
I'll assume you meant to say "immoral" and not "immortal"...
It's interesting that you hold this view when religion has been the cause of so many wars and so much death. How many wars have been held in the name of science or atheism? |
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| #24 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | Most communist take-overs come in atheism by the way; oh, and thanks, I meant immoral. And I realize there would be no point in religions, just one, the one that would be the right one.
Religion has started a lot of wars because of the way its interpreted and handled. Ever wonder if the wars and deaths were a GOOD thing to do? I mean even though the the Civil War wasn\'t on religious grounds, was it a good thing that all those died to set Federal rights first and establish black rights? |
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| #25 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | Most communist take-overs come in atheism by the way
Which is precisely why I raised an eyebrow at the phrase "Communist Christian".I realize there would be no point in religions, just one, the one that would be the right one.
The problem here is that every religion believes itself to be the "right one".Religion has started a lot of wars because of the way its interpreted and handled.
Granted. Despite all the calls to war in the Bible, I don't think that your average Christian feels the need to get up in arms and defend their religion come what may. (Exceptions exist, but then they always do.)Ever wonder if the wars and deaths were a GOOD thing to do?
No. But then I view war as the ultimate last resort and by no means the correct way to solve a dispute unless all other methods have failed. I've never studied the Civil War, so my knowledge of it is very basic, but seeing as it wasn't a religious war the point seems somewhat irrelevant anyway. I am aware that wars can occasionally have a positive effect on the world- but the cost is enormous. |
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| #26 Posted 6 months ago, in reply to post #24 by TheFall | Reply | mean even though the the Civil War wasn\'t on religious grounds, was it a good thing that all those died to set Federal rights first and establish black rights?
Don't pretend for even a minute that the Civil War was fought to protect the rights of anyone, let alone black slaves. The emancipation of the slaves was done out of spite for the south and not out of any altruism from the northerners. The Civil War was a pointless bloodbath and any good that came of it was pure coincidence.
What good do you propose would come of a religious war? The Civil War proved that families could be torn apart by something as simple as an imaginary property line. Can you imagine what would happen if people went to war over their core beliefs? |
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| #27 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | *sigh* I think another Christian needs to step in the house.
Wars over religious reasons are just plain stupid and contradict the beliefs of said religion, most likely. I am pro-military and believe in defending ourselves, but to fight a war over religious beliefs is sinking too low. People aren't going to convert to Christianity over something the devil invented. |
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| #28 Posted 6 months ago, in reply to post #27 by MrsSallyBakura | Reply | | I agree completely. There's not much I can add to that without someone else bringing up new questions. |
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| #29 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | | What does being Christian have to do with how well they'll do in office? It doesn't matter what religion they have! |
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| #30 Posted 6 months ago | Reply | If I may get slightly off subject for a moment, I have a question regarding this statement:...over something the devil invented.
If God created the devil and God knows the outcome of events before they happen, then isn't God ultimately responsible for anything that the devil does? Why would an all loving god create a being with no other purpose than to bring evil to the world? |
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